Amy-as-the-Doctor: Series 1 - 4
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kasihyaThis is a little jumbled, especially at first, because I just copied it straight from my notebook without trying to sort through it, and my notebook is strictly stream-of-consciousness. But anyway, here you go:
The first thing that is important to know is this: when the Doctor tells John that she left River behind because they needed to find a solution, and because River is the better person to leave as a link, this is all 100% true, but it is not 100% of the truth. The Doctor had started to have claustrophobia issues before this: both with Time Lord society, and perhaps with the Centurion. Not to say that she didn’t love him, because she did, but, you know. Free spirit, and the war had taught her the joys of being alone like she hadn’t had them since her second or third regeneration. This is an important consideration, and the cause of considerable guilt on her part. With good reason, too.
I want to know — I have the most difficulty seeing Amy as Ten. Nine? Not a problem. She’d be sort of like in The Girl Who Waited, only less angry at others and more angry at herself. But Ten … Ten was a dick, and I can’t see Amy treating Martha like that. Actually — using the Rory and Doctor thing in Series 5 as analogous: I don’t necessarily think that she’d treat Martha better, but I think she would treat her badly for different reasons. I think she’d be more explicit about it. It would also have to take into account the fact that Amy explicitly loves Rory, so her relationship with Rose would be affected by that.
I think that, at first, Amy would be fleeing from everything, just to clear her head. So when she meets Rose, and they have their adventures, it would be similar in that they’d have that relationship, but I think it would be founded on the understanding that Amy had a family and husband that she left behind and still loves. So her friendship with Rose wouldn’t have overtly romantic tones. I do think that Rose might fall in love with her, and there might be tension with that at first, but once she understood what was going on with Amy, she would respect that and hide it and eventually get over it and they would be adorable, albeit codependent, friends. When Jack comes along, he will of course flirt with both of them even more shamelessly than in the show.
This might also drastically affect her regeneration into Ten. If Ten was created as someone who would stay with Rose and not let go, then Amy!Nine dying would have different priorities, for the reasons above. She would want to be someone whose objective would be … putting the past behind her. Getting away from the person who was so in love with Rory and so torn up about leaving her daughter behind that she needed Rose just to function. So I think she would try to regenerate into someone a bit insane and disconnected: someone more callous, who didn’t care so much about her friends and family. For this reason, I think it is reasonable to assume that she would also leave Jack behind at the Game Station in The Parting of the Ways, beginning a trend of being deliberately callous.
Yeah, you know, that makes sense: instead of brooding Ten, you’d get ‘Me? Sad? Heck no! Moved on! Done!’ Which would worry Rose. So I think that Series 2 Amy!Ten would be marginally less codependent, but eager to throw herself into a friendship with Rose and not be affected by her past. I think that her feelings towards Martha would be influenced as a result: Ten was comparing Martha to Rose because he was cut up about losing Rose, whereas Ten!Amy’s detachment might not allow that.
But then again, Amy being detached and unnatural, refusing to talk about it even to angst, could cause problems of its own if Martha is really fascinated by Amy — I really don’t see this as having any potential for Martha to have a crush on Amy the way she did on Ten, because they’re different at this point — and Ten!Amy is incapable of returning affections to any great degree. It might be a similar result — Amy failing to appreciate Martha, and willfully ignoring her obvious desire for companionship and equality. However, I think that it would be for different reasons, and there would be less Rose-angst because, again, the detachment.
(Also, now that I’m thinking about it, the loss of Rose to another dimension might be equally traumatic to Amy: not necessarily for romantic reasons like Ten, but because this is yet another person she wants to protect, trapped in another dimension beyond her reach. And the reason that it’s beyond her reach is because of the lock that she put on the Time War; if she can bring back the Time Lords, she can also bring back the ability to travel between dimensions, and she can see Rose again, too. Yikes, this got complicated.)
And then there is Donna. Donna functions similarly to Ten in both scenarios: she does not want any form of romance, which is new. It sets her apart so that she isn’t like the recent main players in Amy’s life — Rose, Jack, and Martha — so she doesn’t automatically conjure up huge amounts of emotional baggage associated with Rory and River. Therefore, she’s a good fit for Amy, and it means that Amy is able to be a better friend and actually start to heal (because running from something does not mean getting over it) and become functional again. Also to begin to realize that she needs to do a Simba and level with what she’s done and needs to do, even if it hurts. And, of course, Donna’s arc which involves finding self-worth and being kickass.
The only major kink to this narrative is the part where River shows up during Ten’s run. I think that could do the same thing because in this canon, River and her parents still have very muddled timelines, and so since that event hadn’t happened in Amy’s timeline yet when she locked the war, it’s still there for River? In this case, they would be experiencing two separate realities: in River’s timeline, the Last Time War hasn’t happened yet, and in Amy’s timeline, it already has. Goddamn, I do need to make a timeline for these people or else this is just going to bother me. But at any rate, the interactions between River and Amy would be completely different, and Donna would be very confused, and Amy would have to take her aside to explain a bit to her.
I do think that Donna would meet a significantly different end with Amy, if only because there is no need for the stupid, stupid consolation prize that Rose got. And also because my reasoning behind Ten not telling Donna until it’s too late that her head is going to explode is that he doesn’t want someone else running around with his memories because he’s a special fucking snowflake, whatever. I do not see why a metacrisis has to result in Amy 10.5 being formed, because his function — aside from the Rose thing — was to be callous and ~angry~ and Ten!Amy is already callous enough that she’d do what he did without being cut up about it. So maybe Donna absorbs the metacrisis energy, but instead of giving Donna a mind-wipe, Ten!Amy hooks her up to the TARDIS and separates human from Time Lord again, giving the energy back to the TARDIS or maybe to her hand again or something. But then there needs to be some catalyst for Donna leaving, or else Eleven!Amy would never meet John Smith. So. I’m thinking that Donna gets to go off and have her own adventures in space and time by herself; or else she gets to work for Torchwood. Or something. But anyway, she is marvelous and possibly meets up with Martha later on.
And as for the absolutely stupid specials: Waters of Mars didn’t happen. I reject this reality, if only because that was part of a devolving-sanity arc for Ten, and that doesn’t happen with Amy as Ten. Amy’s arc as Ten involves her recognizing her own detachment, recognizing that this is Not Good and that she’s hurting people and not helping her family or her planet. What does happen is the thing with the Master coming back, and being insane and trying to bring the Time Lords back. This follows mainly along episode lines, but Amy’s reaction to Wilf being trapped is basically the opposite of Ten’s: rather than flip out and yell at him for being pathetic, and not wanting to die, she really wants to die and regenerate. She has recognized that this is not a good regeneration to be, and she wants to be someone who cares about people again, now that she’s put some distance between herself and what’s happened.
The first thing that is important to know is this: when the Doctor tells John that she left River behind because they needed to find a solution, and because River is the better person to leave as a link, this is all 100% true, but it is not 100% of the truth. The Doctor had started to have claustrophobia issues before this: both with Time Lord society, and perhaps with the Centurion. Not to say that she didn’t love him, because she did, but, you know. Free spirit, and the war had taught her the joys of being alone like she hadn’t had them since her second or third regeneration. This is an important consideration, and the cause of considerable guilt on her part. With good reason, too.
I want to know — I have the most difficulty seeing Amy as Ten. Nine? Not a problem. She’d be sort of like in The Girl Who Waited, only less angry at others and more angry at herself. But Ten … Ten was a dick, and I can’t see Amy treating Martha like that. Actually — using the Rory and Doctor thing in Series 5 as analogous: I don’t necessarily think that she’d treat Martha better, but I think she would treat her badly for different reasons. I think she’d be more explicit about it. It would also have to take into account the fact that Amy explicitly loves Rory, so her relationship with Rose would be affected by that.
I think that, at first, Amy would be fleeing from everything, just to clear her head. So when she meets Rose, and they have their adventures, it would be similar in that they’d have that relationship, but I think it would be founded on the understanding that Amy had a family and husband that she left behind and still loves. So her friendship with Rose wouldn’t have overtly romantic tones. I do think that Rose might fall in love with her, and there might be tension with that at first, but once she understood what was going on with Amy, she would respect that and hide it and eventually get over it and they would be adorable, albeit codependent, friends. When Jack comes along, he will of course flirt with both of them even more shamelessly than in the show.
This might also drastically affect her regeneration into Ten. If Ten was created as someone who would stay with Rose and not let go, then Amy!Nine dying would have different priorities, for the reasons above. She would want to be someone whose objective would be … putting the past behind her. Getting away from the person who was so in love with Rory and so torn up about leaving her daughter behind that she needed Rose just to function. So I think she would try to regenerate into someone a bit insane and disconnected: someone more callous, who didn’t care so much about her friends and family. For this reason, I think it is reasonable to assume that she would also leave Jack behind at the Game Station in The Parting of the Ways, beginning a trend of being deliberately callous.
Yeah, you know, that makes sense: instead of brooding Ten, you’d get ‘Me? Sad? Heck no! Moved on! Done!’ Which would worry Rose. So I think that Series 2 Amy!Ten would be marginally less codependent, but eager to throw herself into a friendship with Rose and not be affected by her past. I think that her feelings towards Martha would be influenced as a result: Ten was comparing Martha to Rose because he was cut up about losing Rose, whereas Ten!Amy’s detachment might not allow that.
But then again, Amy being detached and unnatural, refusing to talk about it even to angst, could cause problems of its own if Martha is really fascinated by Amy — I really don’t see this as having any potential for Martha to have a crush on Amy the way she did on Ten, because they’re different at this point — and Ten!Amy is incapable of returning affections to any great degree. It might be a similar result — Amy failing to appreciate Martha, and willfully ignoring her obvious desire for companionship and equality. However, I think that it would be for different reasons, and there would be less Rose-angst because, again, the detachment.
(Also, now that I’m thinking about it, the loss of Rose to another dimension might be equally traumatic to Amy: not necessarily for romantic reasons like Ten, but because this is yet another person she wants to protect, trapped in another dimension beyond her reach. And the reason that it’s beyond her reach is because of the lock that she put on the Time War; if she can bring back the Time Lords, she can also bring back the ability to travel between dimensions, and she can see Rose again, too. Yikes, this got complicated.)
And then there is Donna. Donna functions similarly to Ten in both scenarios: she does not want any form of romance, which is new. It sets her apart so that she isn’t like the recent main players in Amy’s life — Rose, Jack, and Martha — so she doesn’t automatically conjure up huge amounts of emotional baggage associated with Rory and River. Therefore, she’s a good fit for Amy, and it means that Amy is able to be a better friend and actually start to heal (because running from something does not mean getting over it) and become functional again. Also to begin to realize that she needs to do a Simba and level with what she’s done and needs to do, even if it hurts. And, of course, Donna’s arc which involves finding self-worth and being kickass.
The only major kink to this narrative is the part where River shows up during Ten’s run. I think that could do the same thing because in this canon, River and her parents still have very muddled timelines, and so since that event hadn’t happened in Amy’s timeline yet when she locked the war, it’s still there for River? In this case, they would be experiencing two separate realities: in River’s timeline, the Last Time War hasn’t happened yet, and in Amy’s timeline, it already has. Goddamn, I do need to make a timeline for these people or else this is just going to bother me. But at any rate, the interactions between River and Amy would be completely different, and Donna would be very confused, and Amy would have to take her aside to explain a bit to her.
I do think that Donna would meet a significantly different end with Amy, if only because there is no need for the stupid, stupid consolation prize that Rose got. And also because my reasoning behind Ten not telling Donna until it’s too late that her head is going to explode is that he doesn’t want someone else running around with his memories because he’s a special fucking snowflake, whatever. I do not see why a metacrisis has to result in Amy 10.5 being formed, because his function — aside from the Rose thing — was to be callous and ~angry~ and Ten!Amy is already callous enough that she’d do what he did without being cut up about it. So maybe Donna absorbs the metacrisis energy, but instead of giving Donna a mind-wipe, Ten!Amy hooks her up to the TARDIS and separates human from Time Lord again, giving the energy back to the TARDIS or maybe to her hand again or something. But then there needs to be some catalyst for Donna leaving, or else Eleven!Amy would never meet John Smith. So. I’m thinking that Donna gets to go off and have her own adventures in space and time by herself; or else she gets to work for Torchwood. Or something. But anyway, she is marvelous and possibly meets up with Martha later on.
And as for the absolutely stupid specials: Waters of Mars didn’t happen. I reject this reality, if only because that was part of a devolving-sanity arc for Ten, and that doesn’t happen with Amy as Ten. Amy’s arc as Ten involves her recognizing her own detachment, recognizing that this is Not Good and that she’s hurting people and not helping her family or her planet. What does happen is the thing with the Master coming back, and being insane and trying to bring the Time Lords back. This follows mainly along episode lines, but Amy’s reaction to Wilf being trapped is basically the opposite of Ten’s: rather than flip out and yell at him for being pathetic, and not wanting to die, she really wants to die and regenerate. She has recognized that this is not a good regeneration to be, and she wants to be someone who cares about people again, now that she’s put some distance between herself and what’s happened.
